I was reading online at Time's an article titled Can Atheists Be Parents? Absolutely not, but let's get a background on what happened.
After six years of childless marriage, John and Cynthia Burke of Newark decided to adopt a baby boy through a state agency.
God is a powerful man and He would never let a child be born into a family that hated Him. These atheists were married by the atheist government, instead of a church. They wanted to take advantage of God's greatest gift to us, the power to have children, while denying his existence. God doesn't let atheists have children.
In an extraordinary decision, Judge Camarata denied the Burkes' right to the child because of their lack of belief in a Supreme Being. Despite the Burkes' "high moral and ethical standards," he said, the New Jersey state constitution declares that "no person shall be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshiping Almighty God in a manner agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience."
I must applaud Judge Camarata for finally stepping into protect a child from the filth of atheists. This Judge recognized the fact that these people would raise this child without any sense of morality for what is right and wrong. If only a judge would step up and defend a child in the womb.
Two weeks ago, aided by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Burkes appealed directly to the New Jersey Supreme Court, which agreed to hear the case.
Where would the Godless be without the help of the liberal ACLU? It disgusts me that the ACLU feels the need to defend these God deniers, instead of holding up the right of a child to freedom of religion.
I posted this for a few reasons. We are at war right now with the Islamic religion. They're out to kill everyone and our Christian nation. But we must never forget the atheists in America, rotting this country from the inside out.
79 comments:
"God is a powerful man and He would never let a child be born into a family that hated Him." 1.Your confusing disbelief with hatred. 2.Do you really think atheists have never had children? If so your in for an unpleasant surprise if you ever decide to pay any attention to reality. 3.God is a man? I thought he was a god, anyway I would critique more then one sentence but I really don't have the time.
-Jerry Gold
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the comment, but it's about as wrong as the Liberal media.
First: The only possible reason to not believe in our God is hatred.
Second: Atheists occasionally squeak one out, but if you take a look at the statistics you'll see the truth. Around 10% of Americans don't believe in God and around 10% of Americans are unable to have children. Seems pretty concrete to me. Even Richard Dawkins the evolutionary scientist couldn't revert those facts.
Third:God is a Man, as in a Male Human that is our All Powerful God.
ummm WOW.
1.How can you hate something you don't believe exists?
2.Lets assume those statistics are correct 10% of Americans don't believe in god and 10% don't have children those number do nothing to establish the correlation between these two groups.
3.If you believe god is a human than I can't really argue since all of this is a matter of personal belief and isn't verifiable.
-Jerry Gold
my parents are atheists, and they had two children. so, i guess you're wrong then, right?
As a Christian it is truly scary for me to see such a frightening interpretation of the Bible. We are supposed to be a religion of peace and tolerance. Such a militant stance combined with these laughable and unsubstantiated statistics are only serving to make us all look ignorant. I have converted many people with a message of "God's love for all of His creatures." I believe in my heart that these atheists will come around when they are ready, and your message is only serving to push them further away.
-Richard
Christopher, you are as intelligent as you are faithful to Christ. I hear nothing of God in your words, nothing of His Son and nothing of His gospel. Yet, ignorance, sadly, is not your most damaging quality ... Don't twist Christ to justify living in bigotry and hatred. Get right with God, and never, ever claim to speak for Him. To even speak of His Word or will first requires humility and forbearance; you have neither. You are no prophet, you are no God. You undermine the very gospel YOUR God died for. This has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, it has to do with the very definition of "Christian" and I am afraid that you are a poor example. Take the name you claim seriously. Learn of the character of the God you claim to follow. Read his story, understand his ways and perhaps, one day, you will understand.
"God doesn't let atheists have children."
My parents are atheists. Just saying.
Well this doesn't need to be said but - it's the insane religious zealots that should be barred from parenthood.
Like my fellow peers, my parents are also atheists and always have been.
what does morality have to do with religion in this day? i was born into a christian family, although my parents are not particually regular church goers. yet i am atheist (well more agnostic, but very skeptical) who has never committed crimes because i have a moral code. now are you saying i won't be able to teach my children morals without being religious? none of my friends are religious and somehow we all manage to get by without doing nasty things to each other. maybe we learnt morals from society and our parents instead of religion?
i'm honestly sick to the gut of your opinions. the world would get along much better without people pushing their religion on other people.
Great article. I think the atheists are going to wiped from the planet before long. Check out my site http://superatma.livejournal.com/ that details my relationship with Jesus.
Sorry Chistopher but the floodgates have opened, this article has made it to the first page of Shoutwire and while I know no ammount of rational logic will change your view on the world it won't stop people from trying.
Have fun moderating all the coments you're going to get.
PS. My parents are atheist and as for your secopnd point in the second comment - you need to take a logic course since there is no link to belief and the infertility rate
Christoper you are one of the most frightening people I've 'met' in recent times. You're total lack of objectivity and reason is one of the most definitive reasons for NOT believing in a god I've ever heard.
The fact that some religious people believe that you can't have morality without religion is mind-blowingly narrow-minded. Personally I think that someone who behaves in a considerate and ethical way towards their fellow man WITHOUT doing it because they're being threatened with hell holds far more integrity and generosity than someone who is. "Treat people as you would like to be treated yourself" is a good morale code that can be taught whatever your persuasion.
And as for your ridiculous claims of atheists not having children, the number of atheists across the world is rising expoentially, even in America. Almost half the population of the UK are now atheists, and something like 80% of Sweden and Japan are also this way inclined. Stop me if I'm wrong but are they not having children?
The reason this figure is rising is because of a heightened awareness of the unlikeliness that god exists, along with the abundance of reasoned and in most cases even-handed arguments from respected scientists and scholars. Expect this figure to rise even further over the next few years.
I shall stop now Christopher, as I'll wager that you don't post anything else on this board, since you've left yourself looking rather foolish and without a leg to stand on in anyone's eyes, religious or otherwise.
People never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.
If I thought it would change your mind id go through your little post rip it to shreds. However, I know just how adamant and stubborn fundamentalists can be. You are so fucked in the head your brain has come down with a guiness book case of syphilis. I would say more often than not atheists have better morals than christians because they aren't constrained by contradictory verses in a fictional book. For example, I dont think we should kill children for not listening to thier mother and father. You however might because it says to do exactly that in this verse: All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Now as a christian you might be compelled to kill your children (much like the rash of cases where christian parents sever the limbs of their babies, or drown their 4 young boys) Where as I being of sound mind and body know this is a LUDICROUS act and wouldnt even let that thought enter my brain when raising a child. However, if i ever met your dumbass i would think about fucking you up.
its good to see that both sides think that this jackass is full of it. Desperate attempts to push a false ideals will only make you look foolish. Ooo, and just so you know 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. next time site your rants and bring something creditable to the table..
Fundamentalist are the worse people in earth. Things are not black or white. I am not into any religion but I do believe in god or whatever you would like to call him... Saying that "your" god will punish every single person that does not believe in him is the stupidest thing you can say, your god looks like a really good God.
hey you stupid fucking Christian jackass. i am an atheist and all the parents killing their kids all have one thing in common, they wanted their kids to go to heaven. seems to me that if these idiots who claim to have killed their kids in the name of religion. then i say that people who are into religion should not have kids. i have 2 kids and i have NEVER imagined killing them or in otherwise hurt them. but it is a common sight on the news that another parent has executed their child because god told them to. so take your idiotic and warped beliefs and go die. leave everyone alone. besides you want to go to heaven so bad. go step in front of a train.
thank you in advance
dragon
Just to add to your article.. The Judge and/or the court should be sued for discrimination due to the overwhelming evidence that being an Atheists has nothing to due with raising a child..
In the words of Red from "That 70's Show"..Dumbass!!!
Bad parents shouldn't have kids. religion should have no effect on the decision.
a person is capable of being completely moral without believing in a greater being- in the end it creates a stronger person. (creating morals out of their own will and not because god says so)
I thought this was satire until i read the angry comments. This can't be for real.. it sounds like a rant from the Colbert Report. I really think (hope) hes just joking around...
seriously someone should set this guy right.nutjob or what.
I can't believe people actually believe this stuff. I thought people just said this kind of thing for a joke. I fail to see how anyone can be so closed minded and generally idiotic about anything in this day and age.
Your beliefs have been proven wrong. You are wrong. You're wasting your life.
"Second: Atheists occasionally squeak one out, but if you take a look at the statistics you'll see the truth. Around 10% of Americans don't believe in God and around 10% of Americans are unable to have children. Seems pretty concrete to me. Even Richard Dawkins the evolutionary scientist couldn't revert those facts."
Interesting...did you know that 10% of Americans eat a bagel, toast, muffin or pastry for breakfast each morning? 10% of Americans have some sort of hearing loss. 10% of Americans have a secondary home. 10% of Americans have some Italian blood. 10% of Americans have some sort of business that pays taxes but doesn't have employees. 10% of Americans have some sort of Athlete's foot. 10% of Americans have a pollen allergy, commonly referred to as "hay fever." Get the idea yet? Just because the two pretty numbers are the same, doesn't mean there is some sort of correlation. Better luck next time.
My parents converted to christianity just to have me, but then they denounced god soon after ... yep ...
I'm an atheist and have a very healthy 2 month old child. huh, imagine that. Religion is a delusion, and the majority of religious fanatics are too ignorant of the real world and SCIENCE. How is it that forcing a religion on a baby is right? Shouldn't they have the right when they are old enough to understand, to choose their own religion?? Instead of brainwashing them from a young age to fear god and sin and hell?? I'm more moral than all the pedophiles you call bishops.
alright dude, if people who don't believe in god can't have kids, then how do you explain the aztecs, who were polytheist? they believed in fucking quezecoatl or w.e. and they managed to reproduce.
don't be afraid when jesus comes down to teabag you in your sleep for defacing his religion...
Your god is impossible.
Omnipotence is impossible.
Omniscience is impossible
and he is certainly not omnibenevolant.
Here is why.
1. Can god create a stone so big that even he can't lift it? (Think carefully)
2. If he is all knowing, why did he make the mistake of allowing lucifer to fall from heaven or the stupid idea of making us believe in him with faith alone (And a few stupid books)?
3. If he was truly all kind he would not allow suffering to happen in our world.
Fucking religious freaks
Please, go play on the highway.
ith sentence like " We are at war right now with the Islamic religion." the poster itself shouldnt have children of his/her own.damn did christ told you to be so damn extremist??
I will have you know that I do NOT believe that there is a 'magical' god out there. And i have perfectly normal morals, I know right from wrong and this part is going to BLOW YOUR MIND!! I give my kids the right to believe in WHATEVER THEY WANT, whether it be Jesus Christ, Santa Clause, or even Allah if they so choose. You need to pull your head out of your ass and listen to what this world SHOULD be based around. It is called FREEDOM! That judge who banned the parents from adopting should be FIRED immediately.
I'm an atheist who works for children’s charities. But that still makes me an evil person. I’m an atheist because of people like Christopher scare the crap out of me with his phrases of “War with the Islamic religion”. It’s a real wonder why church numbers continue to decline.
Liberal media has got to be one of the biggest jokes I’ve ever heard.. Even fox news would be embarrassed of you.
When while people realize that its the parents job to raise kids and teach them right and wrong instead of leaning on religion like an ugly cruch
Was this written by Fred Phelps? And were all those like-minded responses from the rest of the Westboro Baptist short-bus mafia?? Someone tell me this was all a joke... Oh, Lord, we are truly screwed now..
The Goddess gave birth to your god, and she loves you just as much as she loves her son. The divine is sexless, agesless & dogmablind. If you believe, great! If you don't, great! The thing is though, you're forgetting the root of all religions.... Love. If you did what your own dogma told you, you wouldn't make those hateful comments, nor call it a war on Islam rather than what it's really about. Greed, money & power.
You are the most arrogant person to own a computer. How do you hold down a job with that kind of attitude?
I'm and atheist and I am almost a fully fledged doctor. My "godless" parents conceived 2 perfectly healthy children, I save lives, I help the needy and whats more, I work damn hard to do it. I work for the NHS in the UK and I could earn more, but it is against my principles. I hope your god can forgive you, since, did he not say "judge not, lest ye be judged" If there is a hell, I'll see you there. Until then, ill do my best to make this world a better place, this is no waiting room.
Are you ignorant or just an idiot? Oh wait, you're a Christian... so both. To misinterpret atheism the way you have certainly makes me think so. Christianity does not equal morality, Atheism is far more moralistic than any religion in the world because they don't hold onto the belief that everyone who doesn't share their beliefs deserves an eternity of pain and suffering in 'hell'. Good people have morals, regardless of their beliefs and believing in Christianity does not mean you are a good person. Look at all the murderers and rapists in jail wearing crosses around their necks. Are your views on morals the same as theirs? If you think otherwise you've obviously been brainwashed by your church to the point that you can't think for yourself on the issue, hence why you'll probably read this and not allow your archaic views on the world to change in any way. You are a classic example of why this world is better off without any kind of religion because it promotes stupidity, irrational thought and gives people the right to discriminate against others because of conflicting beliefs.
if god would be better there wouldnt be any atheist, but as long he lets his priests to rape and abuse children, and let them lie to grab the money from the poor.. im rather atheist.
if church would be so close and good with god,there wouldnt be any lightningstrike protection on the churches:)
I can never quite tell if you're for real. If you are false then it's hilarious.
If you're for real... well, I'd recommend you to read a very interesting book, it's called the Bible. =)
It's all about forgiveness and Jesus and a bunch of people who had a lot of bad things happen to 'em. Good story. Nice twist at the ending (turns out he lives on, anyway! - sorry to spoil).
Well, cheers for a giggle.
-A UKtheist.
me thinks the "riods" are melting your brain m8,
firstly, i live in a SANE country so most people i know are what you'd call "atheist", now since you are the one who is angry and hatefull and not the "atheists" and since i know that your religion quite literaly is the source of ALL evil then im gonna say its YOU that have a problem.
So why so angry? the riods?
I though god was about love and peace? no?
bottom line m8, your full of shit, you realy, clearly no nothing about the world which is not surprising for an american,
always remember, you have FAR more reason to fear YOUR god than I do!!!
You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this world. You are just as bad as any other fundamentalist from any other religion. You are a virus spreading hate, ignorance and stupidity. I feel sorry for your children if you have any being bought up by such a faith blinded fool.
All you fear from athiests having chldren is the possible spread of free will and sense.
Stop the indoctrination of children and you stop religion. Now thats a tune we can all rock along to.
it's not atheists that shouldn't have children, it's people like you.
god was created so that adults could have an imaginary friend too!
Open your eyes man! think for YOURSELF, don't depend on some elected shmuck to tell you what to think! Science is FOR REAL, it can be proven. Can you prove that the bible is?
YOU ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH SOCIETY TODAY!
all i can say is one word "zeitgiest" google it and maybe you just might save yourself
lots of love lucifer
Hey, dude, I have an new idea for a counter for you: Since the beginning of religion, several billion have died in pointless battles, crusades and inquisitions in order to keep it running. I'm afraid you'll have to research the exact numbers, but I'll be glad to be of help.
Yeah cause last i checked kids who are raised in a religious home are too busy being touched by their pastor to have any interest in women what so ever.
First off this article was written Monday, Dec. 07, 1970 and was reprinted online.
Secondly, I have never heard a more retarded rant.
If atheists cannot have children does that mean Buddhists, Islamics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, et.al cannot have children either? I consider myself atheist and yet I had two children.
You are an idiot and it is "christians" like you that give them a bad name.
There is too much in your post to comment on so I won't bother but I hope that god finds it necessary to keep you from reproducing.
Is this some sort of joke to fool non believers (pardon the term) and moderate rational believers into making amusing comments about how ridiculous the article was?
If so well done, if not then *sigh*
And for the record I'm agnostic and from shoutwire
Most of the UK are athiests?
Maybe, but we're still a very religious country ...a lot of Brits listed "Jedi" as our religion in the last census ;-)
The most ridiculous part of this is where you said "children have a right to freedom of religion".
I guess you mean as long as it is your religion huh!
I'm agnostic and from Shoutwire.
This article simply does not conform to any kind of sound, rational, and sane logic. You fail to acknowledge what is commonly held to be fact in this world; instead you ignore it and subsequently substitute your own supernatural and fantastic logic. The comments presented in this piece are borderline fanatic.
Hi, Are you one of the Christians who broke my hands, ribs, and collarbone when I was a child because my parents were atheists?
Maybe this will jog your memory?
Jesus christ was a pedophile
we are Anonymous. We will destroy you
With words of hate like these, how are you any better than the terrorising muslim extremists of the world, than those you oppose.
I seriously hope this is a joke, if it is, congrats it's going quite well!
You truly sicken me. Christ himself put forward messages of tolerence and peace among people and religious zealots take the whole meaning of the word out of context. Religions today are mutually exclusive and breed hate Atheist is just about the only sane religion to follow when you think about it. No time wasted on your knees praying to a non existant god that people explode themselves over and we get sundays to do nothing. mf
When I read this on Shoutwire I was livid.
Now, after reading the comments, Iam physically laughing....at you.
People like you make me fear for the future of humanity. That we can have come so far, yet still have genetic throwbacks like you around is a sad thing. I hope some day people can use their own minds as opposed to believing in invisible sky wizards.. until then, I shall feel sorry for you (and likely snicker a little bit when I think about how silly and inconsequential you really are).
Man created god in the image of himself.
Christian Logic Professor here...
Some M are P
Some M are S
Therefore, All S are P
Some Americans are Atheists
Some Americans are People Who Are Unable To Have Children.
Therefore, All Atheists are People Who Are Unable To Have Children.
Some Americans are Men
Some Americans are Women
Therefore, All Men are Women.
(or Therefore Some Men are Women)
I could draw a Venn Diagram for you, if you want.
I do want to thank you, however, because as I type I am using this argument as an example of horrible reasoning in my Logic and Critical Thinking course. My students are laughing at you, right now.
Of course, there are other equally ignorant claims being made here as well. Atheism is not the 'only sane' belief system, nor the only reasonable belief system. Nor are you prevented from thinking for yourself if you believe in God. To claim these things is to exhibit an equal amount of ignorance.
I am a atheist and I have a child your bull is 100% wrong and proven to be so.
i'll be sure to rape your children (if you have any) tonight then :D
bring on the 4channers \o/
I am an Atheist and became a parent with a Christian, there for we are all parents.
Bah, you Christ believers are all misguided!
Prometheus, who gave us the divine secret of fire, suffered for ages on top of a mountain. He had his liver devoured daily by Zeus' eagle, and it would grow back at night just to be devoured again.
Christ had it easy, he only lasted a few days on top of that puny Cross.
ALL YOU CHRIST BELIEVERS WILL GOTO HADES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT APPRECIATE THE SACRIFICE MADE BY PROMETHEUS. He suffered much more than Christ ever did, my allegiance lies with Pro!
im a 15 christian teenager who grew up in a moderate christian family.
here are some of my feelings on this topic:
-when someone is atheist DOES NOT MEAN THEY HATE GOD.
-it is not atheist that should not have children, BUT IGNORANT SIMPLETONS LIKE YOU WHO SHOULD BE BANNED FROM HAVING ANY CONTACT WITH MINORS. WHY? IT IS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO TARNISH AND RUIN THE IMAGE OF OUR RELIGION MAKE THE REST OF US LOOK LIKE CRAZED IDIOTS.
i know alot of people who are atheists. i dont go around force feeding and shoving "the love of god" down everyone throats. when someone asks me for help, i dont ask them if they're christian or not nd leave em hangin if they're not.
do you ever wonder why their are so many people who do not believe in god? it is because of stuck up ignorant doofuses like you who create this stereotype for all of us.
or perhaps you are right. it is because of hatred. it is because of HATRED FOR PEPOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE SO IGNORANT.
you're just pathetic. i dare you to come back here and defend your little rant. i dare you. just remember, the reason there are so many anti christians in the world are because of people like you.
^^ See, a 15 year old gets it.
Billy Idol gets it.
Why doesn't 'Christopher' get it?
Peace,
Christian Logic Prof
What a poorly written and argued piece of garbage. Even as someone who is incredibly committed to Jesus Christ, this is a poor poor excuse for intelligent commentary. Please stop. I mean, really.
As a Christian minister, I ask you to: Please stop. You are only serving to distort Our message. Atheists actually can love, and give their children a moral upbringing. What if we chose to lead by example? What if they saw that a faith driven life brings its followers a sense of wholeness that can not compare with a nonspiritual existence?
All planets gravitate around a common center. We call it the "sun". All things gravitate around God. Regardless of their beliefs we all are gravitating around a common center.
Every human civilization ever has had both belief and passion aimed at something that lies outside of what we can quantify using our five senses. As you can decipher from the atheist's response, they are passionate believers in their cause. I would have to say that all of these people have faith.
While the teachings of Christ have resonated with me personally, I have noticed that we all share the belief that there is something worth devoting ourselves to that is greater than ourselves.
If these people did not have this passion, they would not be responding with such vigor. We are all the same, and this all feels like a part of the greatest semantic argument that has ever gripped our species.
On behalf of true Christians everywhere I apologize. For too long the right wing has used our majority status to promote their agenda. These people are as Christian as terrorists are Moslem. Don’t let these people be a deciding factor when forming an opinion about true Christianity (or any religion) as a whole. I hope he merely has a warped view of Christianity, and is not using his “faith” to push a political agenda. We’re not all bad : ) True Christians wake up! They are just using us!
"Around 10% of Americans don't believe in God and around 10% of Americans are unable to have children"
You seem to have your math mixed up. God created everything, so he must've created math too right? If 10% of America can't reproduce, and 10% of Americans are Atheists, then that means Atheists have a 10% chance of not being able to reproduce. So only 1% of Americans are Atheists who cannot reproduce (10% or 10% is 1%). On the contrary, that means 90% of Americans are theists and they too have a 10% chance of not being able to reproduce. So that makes 9% of Americans are Theists who cannot reproduce (10% of 90% is 9%). That would give you 1% infertile Atheists and 9% infertile Theists (giving a total of 10% of Americans are infertile). So in a country of 300 million people, 27,000 people are infertile theists compared to only 3,000 infertile atheists. God must hate you theists...
Wrong Alex,
You're assuming this is a linear formality. Let me debunk it with Christian loving math.
10% of Americans can't reproduce.
10% of Americans are atheists.
Therefore the 10% of Americans that can't reproduce are atheists.
See??
Christian Math has the power God, What does your atheist math have? Nothing! That's what.
are you inbred or just naturally retarded?
umm..... is every single person on these comments being "ironic", or has NO ONE realised that this is a parody site?
I can't believe the posters above me took this seriously.lol
Oh religious pyshco nut bags...
'Can omniscient God, who
Knows the future, find
The omnipotence to
Change His future mind?'"
According to Wikipedia, this site is actually serious, not a parody >.>
COuld someone explain how come you defend the freedom of believe? you just use it to justify your own freedom. And at the same time you deny the freedom of others.
You are a bunch of SOCIAL TERRORIST
You migth not put boms, but you promote a much more reactionary, less free society
oh my, this site is fake. every comment is a load of evil, hateful, balderdash. i certainly hope this is not real.
It's sad that Evangelical fundamentalists who have such a twisted view of reality taint the name of Christianity. You are the Al Qaeda of America.
You've got to be THE most STUPIDEST person to EVER have had access to the internet, EVER.
I mean, this I think you've beat out Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold on this one.
First off, I'm atheist. My parents are both agnostic. I was never taught about 'god' or 'jesus' when I was a kid. I found out myself. I used to think the bible was just fairytales, until one day I found out that people actually believed in that nonsense. My response was something like this
"... People actually... believe... that theres a Super Magic Sky Wizard in the sky who controls everything, and that we're all supposed to love him, even when he commits genocide, and when he kills prenatal babies and spreads poverty in the poorer countries?"
I plan on having kids. I hope they turn out atheist too. Just so that people like you will eventually die out, and we'll live in a godless world. A world without people making excuses for what they did wrong. A world without people discriminating and oppressing because a dusty old book written by a bunch of bigoted morons thousands of years ago.
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